Is Gene Simmons Really Pissed Off At Radiohead?

Jun 19th, 2008 // 36 Comments

AP04033102629.jpgSeveral Web sites are reporting that Gene Simmons is angry at Radiohead, based on this quote: “The record industry is dead. “It’s six feet underground and unfortunately the fans have done this. They’ve decided to download and file share. There is no record industry around so we’re going to wait until everybody settles down and becomes civilized. As soon as the record industry pops its head up we’ll record new material.” OK, so greedy fans are keeping us from songs that rhyme “hot” with “got,” but what does that have to do with Radiohead? Are we taking his disappointment with the band on faith?

It’s not like it’s hard to get Gene to discuss the band. Recently, Gene even claimed to admire Radiohead, even as he wishes they’d buy some fireworks and get the hell over themselves.

I admire bands like Radiohead, but the idea of being that serious? Fuck that, get up on stage and blow shit up. If you’re not fulfilling the visual part it’s like watching a movie with your eyes closed. One of the biggest compliments we get is (when people say), ‘I f**king hate their music but that’s the best show I ever saw in my life.’

Thom Yorke, undoubtedly distraught by these critiques, has yet to comment.

Kiss Star Gene Simmons Slams “Boring” Radiohead [Gigwise]

  1. NickEddy

    This holds water, because I’m sure Kiss has just been sitting on a pile of great new anthems in style of the “Love Gun” era for 11 years, just hoping all that file-sharing would dry up.

  2. Anonymous

    Thom Yorke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene Simmons

    ’nuff said

  3. loudersoft

    The world is long overdue for another “I Was Made For Loving You”.

  4. Anonymous

    Not fer nothin’, but a Radiohead show COULD use some pyro!

  5. joshservo

    Ah, Gene’s just following a trail that the estimable Robert James Ritchie blazed six years ago: [music.yahoo.com]

  6. brasstax

    @loudersoft: Maybe you were being sarcastic, but this is actually true.

  7. loudersoft

    @brasstax: No I meant it. I need a reason to put on my Nike skates and those Dolphin hot pants I’ve had sitting in my drawer.

  8. How do I say this ... THROWDINI!

    @brasstax:@loudersoft: I’m with you guys (well, except for the wearing of dolphin hot pants), a Radiohead show with fireworks would be awesome. Even if they did it ironically.

  9. mhale0

    Fuck KISS. They sucked then, they suck now.
    They’re like Spinal Tap, but without the funny.

    And Gene Simmons can go fuck himself with a bottle of cold cream. He’s the living, breathing, sweating embodiment of what’s wrong with the record industry.

  10. brasstax

    Reactionary Radiohead fan, I presume?

  11. Jack Fear

    What would ironic fireworks be like, I wonder? Jonny Greenwood flicking lit matches into the crowd?

  12. KikoJones

    @mhale0: I agree 100%, however…

    It’s only [the music industry's] fault for letting foxes get into the henhouse and then wondering why there’s no eggs or chickens. Every little college kid, every freshly-scrubbed little kid’s face should have been sued off the face of the earth. They should have taken their houses and cars and nipped it right there in the beginning. Those kids are putting 100,000 to a million people out of work.

    How can you pick on them? They’ve got freckles. That’s a crook. He may as well be wearing a bandit’s mask. Doesn’t affect me. But imagine being a new band with dreams of getting on stage and putting out your own record. Forget it.“

  13. bnb614

    @mhale0: I love Kiss and I love Radiohead but if it came down to it, I would bet $$ Kiss could get more asses in a stadium than Radiohead could.

    and Gene has a point. The record industry is dead. Not necessarily a bad thing, but stealing a company’s goods is going to cause the company financial issues.

    @HONEYBFLY: Ending a post with “’nuff said” shows you both didn’t prove your point and are a jackass.

  14. mhale0

    @brasstax- If that was directed at me, then no, not a huge Radiohead fan. (I mean I LIKE Radiohead and all, but it’s been downhill since OK Computer…)

    One doesn’t have to be a Radiohead fan to know that Gene Simmons is a cunt.

  15. NickEddy

    @mhale0:

    My new auto-sig!

  16. mhale0

    @ KikoJones & bnb614- Filesharing is a mixed bag, but I know a lot of people who buy a lot more music (albeit digitally, and for a lower per track price) than they used to precisely because they can “sample” a lot of music for free. I’m one of those people.

    That’s not really the point I’m trying to make though.

    My point is that Gene Simmons and his ilk make shitty, brainless, commercial pap that disguises itself as counterculture (or at least they did 30 years ago). THAT’s what’s wrong with the record industry.

    I should have said that more clearly from the beginning : )

  17. mhale0

    I love KISS threads on the Idolator, btw.
    Keeps my elbows sharp.

  18. Nicolars

    Let’s settle this with a steel cage match between the two.

  19. bnb614

    And Gene Simmons can go fuck himself with a bottle of cold cream. He’s the living, breathing, sweating embodiment of what’s wrong with the record industry.

    Nice job showing you have no clue about the workings of the recording industry, or Gene Simmons for that matter.

    Why all the hatred? Are you the one woman on the planet he refused to sleep with?

  20. amandacobra

    1. Gene Simmons is a toolbag who loves making money and is extremely pissed off that one of his long running cash cows (putting out his own and other people’s substandard records) is not lucrative or even feasible anymore. That being said, “Hard Luck Woman” is a fucking great song. Because a woman named Rags is too proud to be a queen?

    2. I like the fact that he thought that a) no one did try to sue the freckly kids (paging Metallica) b) that there was any way that once the ball got rolling that there was any way you could have stopped it much the same way as believing you can put your finger in a crack in the Hoover Dam

    3. “I Was Made For Loving You” is a really good song too

    4. He is eight shades beyond right about Radiohead. They were decent to see on the OK Computer tour but god they are so sanctimonious and boring on stage. For a band that I believe are comprised of clever individuals, they sure do seem to seriously lack a sense of humor. I’m not asking for mid-gig Jerky Boys calls but jesus christ……

    (I’m not going to go back and revise that to clarify that I didn’t originally intend to imply that Radiohead should jazz up their live show by resurrecting the Son of Man)

  21. amandacobra

    @avoncobra:

    in regards to point #2: feel free to take out one of those “that there was any way”s

  22. Anonymous

    wait, is gene saying kiss isn’t going to record until illegal downloading stops supposed to be a threat? that just about makes me want to host a file sharing site.

  23. bnb614

    Filesharing is a mixed bag, but I know a lot of people who buy a lot more music (albeit digitally, and for a lower per track price) than they used to precisely because they can “sample” a lot of music for free. I’m one of those people.

    That’s not really the point I’m trying to make though.

    I agree with you that filesharing is a good thing, and I am all for digital downloads. But to imply people are buying more music because of it is horseshit.

    Yes it is a good thing that people can buy 2 songs via iTunes instead of getting stuck with a shitty CD with 2 good songs and 6 band songs at a record store.

    The record industry bigwigs are getting their comeuppance.

    But don’t imply people are buying more music. People are stealing more music. On almost any message board you can find people that buy a CD, rip it to mp3, and upload it to Rapidshare or Megaupload and give it away.

    And don’t think that this isn’t related to the increase in ticket prices.

  24. R. Morast

    Best thread ever (or at least this week).

    Lesson learned (or reminded) from reading these posts: few things raise the ire of “serious” music nerds as does KISS. For that fact alone, KISS is genius.

  25. janine

    On the internet, you have to pick sides. I’m siding with KISS because i can’t think of a safer, more intellectually lazy choice than “Radiohead is so much better than KISS.”

  26. Captain Wrong

    @mhale0: I want to see a KISS vs. the Doors thread on Idolator. Consider it, folks. Just think of the page views.

  27. mhale0

    @bnb614-My point is that the biggest problem with the music industry is lazy musicians, overhyped music, and huge egos. I think ol’ Gene fits the bill quite well.

    I WILL make the point that some people buy more music. They’re also stealing more. Does it balance out? Probably not, but we don’t need a bunch of FUD from has-beens like Simmons. We need smart folks who can make a reasonable profit selling music in whatever form people want to buy it.

    And the dislike is a product of Simmons’ whining and his crappy music. It’s not really hatred, but this IS a Gawker blog, so you have to be obnoxious.

    @R. Morast-You may be right, but I still can’t stand them.

    @Captain Wrong-That would explode the internet.

  28. Lucas Jensen

    @janine: Agreed. I love KISS.

  29. Anonymous

    Being a successful musician nowadays is in no way synonymous with making a fortune. And I’m totally okay with that.

    Before you know it, Tom Hanks won’t be making $10 million per picture. And the world will continue.

  30. Anonymous

    Yeah, I bet kiss was selling fucking boatloads of albums in 1995.

  31. derby

    Threatening to ‘not’ record new material? That is easily the funniest thing I have read all day. I love (old) Kiss, but I haven’t cared about anything new from the band since the Animalize album — and that was mediocre at best.

  32. Elmo Keep

    I tried arguing this same point with Mr Simmons back in February:

    “The way that Radiohead have done what they’ve just done – “

    ” – you don’t have a clue what they’ve done or how they’ve done it or how many pieces they’ve sold.”

    “The band are saying they’ve made more money online out of that model than from the previous sales of all their records combined.”

    “Not true, not true. You know why?”

    “Tell me why.”

    “Because everybody else would have done it right away.”

    “I think we’re going to have to wait and see.”

    “Are you making a conjecture based on nothing, or are you stating fact? Are you saying it’s going to happen, or that it’s happening?”

    “I’m saying it’s happing, and it will continue to happen.”

    “You can’t say it’s going to happen because you aren’t qualified to make that statement. You can’t say it’s going to happen. This first thing I would say to that is, based on what?”

    “OK, if I could finish what I was saying.”

    “Yep. Good luck with this, by the way.”

    “If you’re thinking about the music business, and it’s in so much trouble, blah blah – “

    ” – I don’t have to think about it. But a new band does.”

    “That’s what I’m trying to say.”

    “- that’s the saddest part.”

    Frustrated and risking the end of the interview, I try a little school teacher admonition of my own:

    “Stop interrupting me, Gene Simmons!”

    After a very brief pause he says, “Yes Ma’am.”

    One of life’s stranger exchanges.

  33. Elmo Keep

    Thankfully, it was over the phone. Not so when he spat water at me at the Melbourne Grand Prix press conference.

  34. Anonymous

    @Elmo Keep: You totally should’ve dropped your pants and urinated where you stood.

  35. cheesebubble

    That he won’t just shut up and go away makes KISS grow less relevant and more like a bad Village People/Rocky Horror nightmare. Gene is just trying to hide the fact that he and his elderly bandmates pander to an aging “army” who are interested in little more than retiring to gated communities and occasionally cranking up their SUV satellite radios to hear a KISS song from thirty years ago. If the band bothered to put anything new out these days, few people would care. Music’s horizons don’t include KISS but he deflects his own irrelevance in favour of attacking progress and technology that he can’t understand. Aside from his family’s poor yawn of a “reality” show, this is about all that garners him attention these days: [valleywag.com]

  36. kid doom

    You need pyro as a distraction when your music sucks ass big time dude

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