Which News Item Will Cause Music Snobs To Complain Louder?

Aug 12th, 2008 // 24 Comments

mrjonesandsmith.jpgThe one about the Hold Steady playing a couple of shows in Europe as a support act for Counting Crows, or the one about the new Cure single featuring remixes by 30 Seconds To Mars’ Jared Leto, My Chemical Romance’s Gerard Way, AFI’s Jade E. Puget, and Fall Out Boy’s Pete Wentz and Patrick Stump? I think it’s a toss-up, although I have heard that there are a lot of Counting Crows fans lurking in the shadows out there… [AHN / NME]


  1. Ned Raggett

    The only thing that really makes me go ‘uh’ on the Cure story is Jared Leto.

  2. Al Shipley

    As far as MOR rock with pretentious talky lyrics go, Counting Crows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Hold Steady.

  3. Bob Loblaw

    I was kind of bummed about Jandek replacing Dicky Barrett in the Bosstones.

  4. NeverEnough

    Everyone mentioned should be set on fire.

  5. ITMS

    It’s a tough call. I think the latter bit would be more problematic if they were reissuing an older album by The Cure with remixes by those artists, but let’s be real…who listens to new material by The Cure?

  6. Eugene Langley

    Is the point of this post to conjure the mental image of Jared Leto staring uncomprehendingly at a Pro Tools screen? Or was it to get people who like the Hold Steady and people who don’t like the Hold Steady to yell at each other? The first option seems much more constructive.

  7. natepatrin

    @Al Shipley: You are hereby officially declared out of your damned mind.

    someone who had to suffer from daily radio airplay of “Long December” while working in a college bookstore in 1997

  8. natepatrin

    @Eugene Langley: well, there’s a crosspost for ya.

  9. Ned Raggett

    @ITMS: who listens to new material by The Cure?

    More than you might think, smartass.

    Sincerely in turn,
    Someone who has all four singles from this year already, and is far from being the only one.

  10. Ned Raggett

    @natepatrin: someone who had to suffer from daily radio airplay of “Long December”

    See, I would think this would cause a Columbine scenario more than Marilyn Manson.

  11. SAShepherd

    @Ned Raggett: See, “Long December” still makes me well up a bit. Personal things.

    I would totally see this bill. Both parts.

    Maura, can I still keep my commenting privileges?

    Even if I admit that I saw the Cure on tour this year?

    You know, I’ve often thought that an interesting (“interesting” being a relative term) internet game would be to have people guess people’s ages based solely on their musical interests. I’ve got a feeling you could probably peg my age to within, like, a week.

  12. Ned Raggett

    @SAShepherd: Even if I admit that I saw the Cure on tour this year?

    What’s with this unnecessary shame! Saw ‘em at the Hollywood Bowl and it was one of the best performances I’ve seen of them over almost two decades now. They’re really on this year.

  13. SAShepherd

    @Ned Raggett: Hey, no shame here, either for the Cure or the Hold Steady or the Counting Crows. It was my first time seeing the Cure and I was surprised just how… loud it was. (And it turns out that that wasn’t atypical.) Yeah, the band sounded great.

  14. nulldevice

    It’d be particularly awesome if it was named “My So-Called Mix.”

    Come back to us, Jordan Catalano, come back to us…

    Meanwhile Fat Bob’s GOTTA ditch the eye makeup. At his age he looks like a wrinkly raccoon.

  15. PeterBjorn&Yawn

    Adam Duritz gives good interview:

    I think all parties mentioned in this post are just fabulous.

  16. RaptorAvatar

    My history may be fucked up here, but I think it’s a far sadder thing to see Fallout Boy associating with so many lesser versions of themselves.

    As for CC/THS: I was giddy about that until I realized that there’s no fucking way I can get to Europe to see it. I hope they get along well and drink and do drugs every night together. At the very least, we get fucked up Adam Duritz writing awesome lines about killing himself again.

    @Al Shipley: I eat that shit up (for many of the same reasons I’m finally starting to like hip hop), but my reckoning goes like this:

    Lifter Puller’s First Song> “Separation Sunday” > First two Counting Crows Records > Lifter Puller> The rest of The Hold Steady’s Catalog> Couting Crows from “This Desert Life” onward

  17. Maura Johnston

    @RaptorAvatar: “I think it’s a far sadder thing to see Fallout Boy associating with so many lesser versions of themselves.”

    Right on.

  18. Captain Wrong

    @NeverEnough: Winner.

  19. D.R. Mosby

    Why, with the wealth of numeric data available to us, we should be able to answer this question mathematically. To do this, let’s compute the Differential of Disgust for each set of bands. Here are the collected Metacritic* scores for each band’s most recent album (understanding of course, that not all critics are snobs, and not all snobs are critics, but I’m guessing the overlap is fairly large). This way we can quantify the esteem with which each band is regarded:

    The Hold Steady – Stay Positive (85)
    Counting Crows – Saturday Nights & Sunday Mornings (63)

    The Cure – The Cure (75)
    30 Seconds to Mars – 30 Seconds to Mars** (49)
    My Chemical Romance – The Black Parade (79)
    AFI – Decemberunderground (72)
    Fall Out Boy – Infinity on High (75)

    Calculating the Differential of Disgust for the first set is easy: 85 – 63 = 22. With such a large gap in critical esteem between the two bands, a significant amount of complaining should occur. But how does it measure up against the competition?

    For the second set, we have to take the average of the four “remixers” to get their collective degree of esteem: 75 – ((49 + 79 + 72 + 75) / 4) = 75 – 68.75 = 6.25. Since the Differential of Disgust is much lower here, I would imagine that there will be much less complaining about this matchup.

    *I would have solely used Pitchfork’s ratings – it being the gold standard for music snobbery – but they didn’t deign to review all of the albums listed here.

    **3STM’s second album wasn’t on Metacritic – doesn’t anybody want to review it?

  20. revmatty

    @D.R. Mosby: We have a winner! Clever.

  21. DocStrange

    @D.R. Mosby: I really liked that last Cure album. “The End of the World” was Smith’s best single since “Mint Car” (or maybe even “Friday I’m In Love”)

  22. revmatty

    I listen to new stuff by the Cure. And the stuff that he did with Reeves Gabrels is pretty awesome if you can track it down.

  23. DocStrange

    I’m not bothered by The Hold Steady opening up for the Crows. The other story is far more disturbing because I am likely to buy this EP as Robert Smith dangles this still untitled full length album over my head. How come they didn’t get any members of any of the countless better bands influenced by The Cure?

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